Has anyone ever thought of constructing an artificial island made out of plastic water bottles and position it somewhere near the north Atlantic and building a technate there. It would remove a lot of problem like having to persuade people in the positive aspects of technology.All we would need would be a source of energy which we could obtain from the tides and as well as the sun and wind.

<strong>James Suderland wrote:</strong>


That would be nice! In short yes but we have opted for building a technate embedded within the current system as a start. (see www.technate.eu/)

<strong>James Suderland wrote:</strong>


And a lot of money. Have u seen this: tmp2.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page ?

I have the book, which I find interesting.

ui

<strong>James Suderland wrote:</strong>


While certainly it is a commendable proposal, such projects often flow out in the sand because of the lack of financial means to realise them. Movements like for example the Cosmic Engineers have de-facto dismantled on the ground of being unable to realise their visions directly. What we must do is to build up a network able to sustain a proto-technate before the proto-technate could emerge.

I magine your thinking of this guy that did that kind of thing:

www.vagabondish.com/not-quite-gilligan%E...ed-floating-bottles/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_Island

> It was destroyed by Hurricane Emily in 2005

I imagine its quite difficult to keep these kind of designs afloat without them being prone to damage by bad weather, if you look at other examples:

hubpages.com/hub/For_Sale_Principality_of_Sealand

www.bobleroi.co.uk/ScrapBook/SealandRadi.../SealandRadio_1.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunsell_Forts

These can stand up better.

Not cheap though, and you'd probably need a land base of operations to start building them, you could probably at least get permission to anchor a prototype next to Sealand.

Cost would be quite expensive, more so than I imagine building on land, by quite a large margin I would hazard a guess.

I can certainly imagine it as a long term goal to establish a community in the sea.

But I concur with the two following points made:

> we have opted for building a technate embedded within the current system as a start.

And:

> we must do is to build up a network able to sustain a proto-technate before the
> proto-technate could emerge.

For income, one might look towards copying what these folk intended to do:

adtmag.com/articles/2005/04/18/outsourcing-off-los-angeles.aspx

www.sea-code.com

www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7x...d_world_programmers/

It would appear that particular idea never got off the ground, but the general principle I think is a good one.

Note, this is a business model we could do presently, except everyone just stays living where they are for the moment, but it would then allow people to more easily move and take their jobs with them. (This is the basic idea I have to build a community, to base its main workforce initially on some teleworking remote job that people can start doing at home, and then over time move into the community and bring their job with them.)

If the island is designed well it would attract immigrants and form the base for the proto technate.The only difficulty in designing a micro state is that you would have to be self sufficient and that would include building industry and heavy machinery on the island which would cause the island to collapse. There have to be islands in the world that are not claimed by any countries or ones under corrupt governments who will sell you part of their island.

<strong>James Suderland wrote:</strong>


While a novel idea, it holds some serious weaknesses, namely accessibility. Moreover, the need to ensure protection for the people who are living there might come at the price of impairing our ability to develop our means of production into the new generation. It is better to embed what we are doing in the context and embrace of the wider society, while retaining our autonomy within the sphere of how we are administrating our resources. Independence would only be an alternative if the political-territorial power occupying the area would deem our alternative unacceptable and with-take measures to prevent us from acquiring our managing resources.

Moreover, from an ideological perspective, the creation of yet another nation-state would be regressive, since nation-states operate on the idea that the world could be divided into limited spheres of interest which only look for the improvement of the life of the human beings residing within their territory. The technate should and must be designed to be a service offered to all human beings everywhere. That is the road to success, to build networks of holons where some might focus on energy production, others on food, others on automated labour, and to manage the joint resources of these programmes as the part of the same organism.