Yes, but that will be terribly slow process. If we assume it will take at least five years before it is ready to expand, in a decade we will just have 2. With 5 communities, it will take 1 year to establish a new one, akin to that estimation.

Post edited by: Lux, at: 2007/06/15 06:22

But take you longer to save up before you can start off with 5.

I reckon a well managed community could look to double its housing/population size every year, so a 10,000 home community could be built in 10 years from starting with only a couple of dozen homes.

Its all about boot-strapping in my book.

Yes, but not too long if we accumulate like crazed squirrels.

How many nuts have we so far ?

What kind of nuts?

Acorns might be a good start

Look up the price of them. It is hard cash we need now.

Actually, I did see a Beyond 2000 TV show some years ago which showed acorns being used in I think it was China for uranium enrichment of all things, though I find no mention of it on the web anyplace when I occasionally search for it.

What funds does anyone else have saved ?

NET has 1842,70 Swedish crowns at it's disposal.

I'd say start with a tiny part of one, and the sky's the limit (actually, it isn't but it sounds good).

Even a small community in a high-energy society is an amazingly complex system. I believe one should start with a small part of that system and as time goes, and one works out the kings you incorporate more and more parts until you eventually end up with a full working system.

Yes, I agree, but there is also the question of what is the best conditions of starting such a small social organism. I think we should at least be self-sustaining on three things, namely electricity. food and a product or service which we could offer cheaper. When we expand, instead of expanding horisontally, we should search to expand vertically and put up a resource chain. Hence, a lot of our work would be to find out key resources, to lessen our dependency of the outside world.

Unfortunately you then either must have a fairly large system (I'm guessing several hundred individuals) or living conditions that are a fair bit lower than the surrounding society.

Electricity probably is the easiest, but it is also something that actually is pretty efficiently produced and distributed in todays society, so the gain from controlling that is small.

Food is hard, unless you're willing to settle for a pretty simple diet, which from the perspective of high standard of living and using that as a way of expanding is poor. Also, food production is pretty efficient, so not much gain there either. Food distribution on the other hand is horribly inefficient today. But it is also a quite complex buisness that is hard to be effective at without a fairly large customer base.

Sevices - here and now (Sweden 2007) I'd go for housing. Not any grand futuristic or ecologically thought out complexes, but perhaps just refitting outdated cargo vessels. For as little as 5 000 EUR one can get ones hands on an outdated freight ship which can be converted to living space for 20 people for around another 15 - 25 000 EUR in materials. No luxury, but more like student dorm housing, shared kitchen, showers and toilets. At maybe 250 EUR a month in rent for a cabin such a ship would pay for itself in 6-12 months depending on the costs for electricity, sanitation, and how much you had to pay for the work refitting it. Once it is paid, start building another one. And so on.

This in itself don't really have anything to do with Technocracy per se, but it's a good base, both in experience of running an organization and financially. And you're getting a group of people that you can use as a prime target for a food distribution system, that can be both another service to offer to the surrounding market, and the start of an energy accounting system.

Unfortunately you then either must have a fairly large system (I'm guessing several hundred individuals) or living conditions that are a fair bit lower than the surrounding society.

Electricity probably is the easiest, but it is also something that actually is pretty efficiently produced and distributed in todays society, so the gain from controlling that is small.

Food is hard, unless you're willing to settle for a pretty simple diet, which from the perspective of high standard of living and using that as a way of expanding is poor. Also, food production is pretty efficient, so not much gain there either. Food distribution on the other hand is horribly inefficient today. But it is also a quite complex buisness that is hard to be effective at without a fairly large customer base.

Sevices - here and now (Sweden 2007) I'd go for housing. Not any grand futuristic or ecologically thought out complexes, but perhaps just refitting outdated cargo vessels. For as little as 5 000 EUR one can get ones hands on an outdated freight ship which can be converted to living space for 20 people for around another 15 - 25 000 EUR in materials. No luxury, but more like student dorm housing, shared kitchen, showers and toilets. At maybe 250 EUR a month in rent for a cabin such a ship would pay for itself in 6-12 months depending on the costs for electricity, sanitation, and how much you had to pay for the work refitting it. Once it is paid, start building another one. And so on.

This in itself don't really have anything to do with Technocracy per se, but it's a good base, both in experience of running an organization and financially. And you're getting a group of people that you can use as a prime target for a food distribution system, that can be both another service to offer to the surrounding market, and the start of an energy accounting system.

hi, why not occupy old houses or entire blocks, as in christiania. we are not living in a price system, we are living in a mosaic, and b[u]y building subvers[/u]ive anarchist communities for the youth, we will build and expand a base. old men cannot build anything new, only the un-enlight[i]ened youth could do th[/i]at because they are not filled with prejudices.

Ships are an idea, though here in the UK the cost of moring them is very expensive, a moring site might cost you £200k for your £5k ship

The UK does have a squatter movement alt.uk.squat but such living conditions are very fragile and prone to eviction at a moments notice, as such, one cannot build up very much of an inferstructure.

Whilst young men may have the drive, old men know how to fix the plumbing