Since it is technocracy's aim to automatise as much production as possible it thus needs, for the most efficient operation to realise itself, to have as many skilled and educated people within its area. Because a technate would be able to provide its education at a very low cost (it would be free for all citizens, but I actually meant the productive cost) it should be less of a problem to increase the level of education than it is in today's system.

What interests me though is how a proto-technate would provide education for its citizens since it has no initial capacity. I think that the best solution would be that a proto-technate should stay a part of the current system in the sense that it would not plunge into any kind of isolationism (not only regarding education) and use the benefits that are available to people even today, namely, education, health care and social benefits.

Any thoughts on the topic?

i think that there is already enough with knowledge... i think almost too much.

why?

because the more educated you get, the less ability to wildly fantasise you will have. education is indoctrination, if not in an ideology so into an attitude. narrow-minded specialists just focusing on aeroplanes, refrigerators and chemicals are not full humans, but humans alienated from their full creative and destructive potential. technocracy claims to abolish the price system, but it actually strengthens the bourgeoisie conceptions of enlightenment age rationalism and euro-centrism. i think we need to be more nomadic, unrestrained and youthful, and educate more performing artists, skaters and graffiti painters, not engineers... we do already have too many of those.

Being how I hang around in engineering forums, there is sadly rather an extreme lack of trained and experienced engineers, such that companies fight over what few remaining ones (often aged 50+) that remain, at times companies even struggling to find a single person world wide to reprogram ticket machines on public transport as one example.

I'm afraid grafitti artists do not help the trains run on time..

I do agree though that many educated people do lose their ability to think out of the box and can often be very closed minded to new approaches.

I'd agree that a proto-technate to start off with would have to rely on existing outside services in the education, heath care and social benefits. Over time of course one could imagine that the wealth created would enable us to afford to fund and man our own such services.

why are trains more important than graffiti? explain.

Trains help deliver people to jobs, and goods such as fuel and food.

Where as graffiti (unless perhaps its artistic) tends to waste resources and bring down an area into lawlessness.

O.A wrote:


Education does not equal specialisation. You can educate yourself interdisciplinary and take a broader view on things. Although I agree with you that the current education system reduces intellectual capacity instead of enriching it.

Igor Srdoc wrote:


The idea of a proto-Technate is not to become isolated. It should be embedded within the local community. That means that it will rely on education, heath etc from the out side. As it expands it can address more and more of the needs of its citizens internally.

My thoughts exactly.

What about financing education for it's citizens when that education is not free? Something already mentioned in the Paid training in sem-flat economic model thread, I think.

If it can do so, the yes. I think it will need to do that in the earl phases anyway. As it expands it will start to form its won education and research facilities.

First, how does grafitti bring ares down to lawlessness?

And second: I'm almost insulted by the assumption that knowledge harms phantasy. On the contrary, I'd say it broadens horizons, enabling to spread creativity even more freely.

For the rest of your post, O.A., I simply disagree totally and leave your empty paroles to be picked apart by others.

Why not look at Christiania? It is a healthy autonomous society.

Christiania is full of drug addicts, which I would already dismiss as "autonomous". Furthermore, I disagree with the "healthy" as well, since it still relies heavily on outside support...or did today's inhabitants of the town build the buildings, for example?

no, they reclaimed them. with reclaim the stre[b]et-style house occu[/b]pations, we could build up a support from the local inhabit[b]ants and g[/b]et to battle the police.

Do they have their own power station or well ?

Grafitti is a visible sign that police presence in an area is not happening, the more of it around, the more other nasty people in society see that they too could get away with a mugging here, or a break in there, so crime rises.

It is also used a large degree to mark gang terrority, which due to a lack of police and law, is on the rise, as people come together to defend themselves.